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Tina.
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Leah
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did you hear that there's a new smoking?
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Yes.
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Well, sitting is the new smoking, but that's not what you're talking about.
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Sitting was the new smoking and now there's a new now there's a new sitting.
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I can't keep up with it.
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First, there was the original smoking.
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Which is bad for multiple systems.
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Lung cancer was the big reason in our world of cancer care, but many other cancers, breast cancer,
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And other health issues, right?
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Heart disease, lung disease, I mean, you know, secondhand smoke, thirdhand smoke, all of those were found to be bad for people.
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Yes.
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And the data was very clear that we have had a, an improvement when people stopped smoking so much.
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We've had improvements in all of those.
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Chronic diseases
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Right.
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So, we all know smoking is bad for you.
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And then, how many years ago was it that we learned sitting was bad for you?
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sitting is the new smoking was kind of a big deal in 2010.
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So it's 14 years ago now.
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Yeah, so it's kind of passé.
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So the whole thing with that was that people who were sitting at their desk on their job for eight hours plus
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Mm hmm.
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had an increased risk of chronic diseases, including the increased risk of cancer.
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Yeah, colorectal cancers breast cancer Prostate cancer there was data on many cancers and an increased risk with prolonged sedentary periods, prolonged sitting how much is too much sitting and being sedentary.
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It's a little bit of a moving target.
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Certainly anything over six hours in the data looks like it's starting to show increased risk.
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So getting up and moving.
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Even if you have a desk job, making sure that you move, you take your breaks, you, keep moving.
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You were mentioning squats off the radio here.
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Off the radio.
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Offline.
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Offline.
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There was an article that I had read that if you work a desk job or any job where you are sitting most of the day, if you stand up every 30 minutes and do some squats, there was a period of time you were supposed to do the squats.
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I don't remember if it was 30 seconds of squats.
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I can't remember.
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But if you just stand up, move, do some squats, Set an alarm on your phone, whatever, that was supposed to be good.
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What was interesting is that if people had sedentary jobs and then we're like these weekend workout warriors, that didn't really show any benefit.
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Right.
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Cause it has to be movement on a daily basis, but that's why we have, what's very popular now is standing desks or desks that are used over a treadmill where people are actually walking during their meeting they'll just have a computer over their treadmill, a little stand there.
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It works for people who, yeah, work from home or, you know, attend meetings over zoom, which I guess is more popular now, but it doesn't work for everybody.
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I have a.
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stationary bicycle desk, which is gathering dust as we speak, because you know what I can't do when I'm biking is type.
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I don't go to a lot of meetings.
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I type a lot and I do a lot of like engaged activity on my computer like that.
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And so it's a great idea though.
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I mean, it might work for other folks.
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I've seen those where there's like a little pedal,
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Or, you know, pedals underneath the desk.
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Um, but yeah, I think I would have a hard time multitasking.
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I can't even read while walking on a treadmill.
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I watch TV because that way I'm not really doing anything.
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right, right.
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I want to get a balance board for my standing desk.
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So I have a desk, you know, that is standing.
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I can adjust it up and down.
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I want to get a balance board just to do something while I'm standing there.
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Well, while you're standing every 30 minutes, do some squats.
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I probably do do that quite a bit.
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Actually, I do intentionally move around because I don't want my joints all getting all stiff.
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I am in my 50s.
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So you know, got to keep my flexibility and squat down quite a bit just to keep limber.
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Use it or lose it as they say.
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I'm Dr Tina Kaczor and as Leah likes to say I'm the science-y one
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and I'm Dr Leah Sherman and on the cancer inside
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And we're two naturopathic doctors who practice integrative cancer care
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But we're not your doctors
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without first speaking to your doctor
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Welcome to the cancer pod So, so there is a, there is a new smoking and a new sitting.
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And we both saw the article like at the same time, pretty much it came out in Medscape.
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you want a drumroll?
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We need a drumroll.
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We're going to insert a drumroll here.
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It's pesticides.
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Pesticide, which we in our profession as naturopathic docs and naturopaths around the world, whether they're physicians or what they call barefoot naturopaths, you know, lay naturopaths around the world.
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We have quite a few listeners out in Australia.
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Hello, Australia.
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Um, we are all against these things.
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Pesticides, right?
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I mean, this is not something that's.
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Going to be new for us and our recommendations.
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I think that the headline hopefully will motivate more people to make the change away from exposures if they can.
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Yeah.
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And the biggest exposure comes from people who work around them.
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So whether it's a landscaper, home gardener, it's people who live in farming communities, whether they work on the farm.
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Directly or just live in the community.
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well in this piece that you and I read from Medscape, which was basically a, a news briefing on a study that happened.
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So it was a breakdown of that study and how.
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Pesticides are the new smoking.
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The Midwest has higher rates in the United States.
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And that is where there's an immense amount of pesticide usage for Big Ag.
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and the article specifically mentioned corn.
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The states in the study that the article discussed were Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, Missouri, Indiana, and Ohio and Florida because there is an ag component down there in Florida.
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I mean, Indiana.
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So much corn.
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So much corn.
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I didn't realize there was that much agriculture in Florida.
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I, I, I thought maybe it was more like, uh, well, I guess it would be, huh?
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I bet I was thinking it was more like manicured and landscaped areas.
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You know, they got to keep the critters out.
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Hmm.
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Mm
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it's pretty surprising, um, driving in between, you know, South Florida and then going a bit north.
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Um, my dad is buried in a, um, military cemetery.
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I don't know.
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It's not quite central Florida, but yeah, no, there's tons of agriculture out there between driving from, you know, Pompano beach and heading up towards Lake Worth.
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It's yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, and.
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Like you mentioned, occupational exposures for farmers, I mean, that's kind of been a rumbling for decades in the data and I think that has been looked at because occupational exposures are something that are looked at specifically because it's such a high exposure probably more than anyone else is going to be exposed and more, consistently exposed.
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The whole communities are being affected because there's also spray through aerial sprayers that then go into the land, that then seeps into their water tables that they then drink from their wells
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Right.
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Not to mention just aerial sprays not being very specific.
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Oh, for sure.
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And then I think I've mentioned on another episode, but I remember having.
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A patient who talked about when they were a kid running behind like the, the bug spray, whatever was, was being sprayed.
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It was DDT based then.
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Yeah.
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I was gonna say I don't know what they're using today.
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and I don't know if they still have those trucks that like blast things.
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they're spraying communities because of the mosquitoes in certain communities Yeah, I don't know what they're using
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so I want to kind of define pesticides.
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Cause I think when we think of pesticides.
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Um, we just think of like insects, you know, but I did look up to see what was considered a pesticide in agriculture and it includes herbicides and fungicides and insecticides.
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And so the, Definition that I found said that they're chemicals designed to eliminate and control animal and plant life that can adversely affect agriculture or domestic life.
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So it's kind of all lumped together.
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So when I typically think of pesticide, I'm just thinking of like the stuff you spray to get rid of ants or whatever, but it's, it also includes the herbicides and fungicides that are used.
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Yeah.
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And the amount that is used, oh gosh, I forgot the amount.
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It was a lot.
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I want to say Roundup or glyphosate alone was like, 188 million tons or some, some like, I'm going to look at it.
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I'm going to look at this up cause I just looked it up before we started talking.
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And it was the amounts we're talking about that are put on our crops.
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Mind blowing.
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All right, here we go.
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From 2012 to 2016, approximately 281 million pounds of glyphosate, and that's Roundup, were applied to just under 300 million acres annually on average.
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Soybeans get the most, 117 million pounds, corn, 94.
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9 million pounds, and cotton, 20 million pounds.
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And it just goes on and on.
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It says the Midwest region of the United States used about 65 percent of the nation's total glyphosate in 2016.
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Um, and its use has increased dramatically since its introduction in 1996.
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And the reason we introduced it in case anyone wants to know that history is because we genetically engineered plants that could handle it.
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so.
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Because the plants can handle it, we can pour more of it on there and they survive it.
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Right.
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And that's the roundup is like weed killer.
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It's like what people spray in their, on their lawns or, you know, their xeriscaping or whatever.
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It's yeah, it's weed killer.
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Yeah, sorry to say, glyphosate is more of a weed killer than a pesticide.
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I always put pesticides and herbicides as, like, one in my brain.
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No, no, but it is.
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No, that's what that was.
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The definition was an herbicide is included as a pesticide,
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Oh, okay.
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according to the definition that I found.
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So no, it counts.
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It does count.
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Um, I, again, forgive me if I repeat myself, but when I flew out to interview for the residency in Indiana, I check into the hotel, I put on the TV, and the first thing I saw was a Roundup commercial.
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I mean, there were so many commercials, like, on that visit.
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I saw a lot of Roundup being advertised, and I mean, I'm like, so sketched out by Roundup.
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You know, it's been with my dogs, right?
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Walking around the neighborhood, you see like, somebody spraying something, and I'm like, you know, reminding myself, don't go to that.
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Lawn until, you know, at least, I don't know how long it's bad, but, you know, at least until it's dry several days, I'm sure, but,
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And the issue with glyphosate specifically is it's very close to the amino acid glycine.
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And there is evidence showing that it might be able to be integrated into places that the natural amino acid glycine should be.
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And when glyphosate gets integrated in, instead of glycine, that monkeys up with the tissue that it's being used in.
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And glycine's used in tissues throughout the body, but the most, um, kind of glaring effect is in animals and in horses on their connective tissue.
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It weakens their connective tissue.
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And so, It leaves me wondering I mean, we're getting way more injuries than we used to have in young people doing sports.
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it leaves this big question mark in my brain that I think to myself, is it maybe weakened?
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tendons and ligaments, because this is the world we live in now.
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I mean, unless you were brought up 100 percent organic from day one and, and live away from these communities.
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And live in a bubble, a hundred percent organic.
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And you live in a bubble where you're not exposed to anything.
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Um, and the, the big thing, speaking of commercials, you know, there are tons of ads that I have been bombarded with probably because I'm searching for certain keywords, but you know, the increased risk of, Lymphoma non Hodgkin's lymphoma from glyphosate exposure and several people have won lawsuits.
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so yeah, and those are landscapers or, you know, people who are around it all the time.
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Yeah, and that's just one of, how many was in that study?
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Was there 69 different chemical compounds that were in that one study that we're talking about?
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the Medscape article, Comprehensive Assessment of Pesticide Use Patterns and Increased Cancer Risk.
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That's the name of the article.
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Okay.
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Yeah, it is 69 pesticides in their table, 69 pesticides of agricultural interest that are monitored by the U.
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S.
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Department of Agriculture and are reported by county that were included in this study.
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So there's way more than glyphosate, um, The findings from this paper saw there was an association between pesticide use and increased incidence of, I'm just going to give you them all, leukemia, non Hodgkin's lymphoma, bladder cancer, colon cancer, lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, and cancers combined, that are comparable to smoking for some of those cancers.
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So that's why we're saying pesticide exposures are the new smoking.
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Because the risk is the same as if you were smoking.
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yeah.
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And it pointed out that pesticides contributed to a higher risk for cancer than smoking in certain cases.
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Um, and then with non Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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Pesticides were linked to 154 percent more cases than smoking.
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Wow.
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And they accounted for smoking.
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they accounted for, um, you know, environmental factors as well that can contribute to cancer.
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So they kind of looked at a lot of stuff.
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So one of the issues, and not to be a big downer, but the issue is that these pesticides are used on almost all of our crops.
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It said in 2021, 96% of the 93.4 million acres of corn planted in the United States, herbicides were used, pesticides, herbicides, 96% of all of it.
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And so it's ubiquitous.
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Yeah, and you know, one of the reasons why pesticides are used is because it does increase yields.
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And so in, you know, this is global, this isn't just the U S and so across the world where there are, concerns with people getting enough food, the use of pesticides has increased yields.
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And so, there is that benefit because organic farms that don't use pesticides.
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Have up to 50 percent lower yields.
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And organic farms will use chemicals that are natural.
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There's still chemicals, but they are natural.
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as opposed to the synthetic pesticides and those tend to break down, more rapidly, um, there still is risk, you know, of.
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Causing health issues.
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If you're exposed to these natural, um, pesticides, they also use other methods like, netting crops and, uh, planting, you know, what's it called?
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I want to say symbiotic planting.
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I can't remember the word, but you're planting.
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Yeah.
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You're planting, you know, different things to kind of.
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deter pests, you know, from, from your plant and rotating crops, all of that, like you rotate your crops.
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And so if you're always planting your cruciferous vegetables in the same area, you're going to be more prone to getting those types of pests and diseases that, you know, stick with them.
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So you know, there, there are all of these things that you can do.
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It's just, you're not going to be able to mass produce for an entire country.
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that was the key word, mass production.
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I agree with everything you've said.
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And we have to remember that most of that corn that we're growing is not to be eaten.
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Most of that corn that we're growing is, is for feed and for fuel.
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So do we need however million, acres for corn to, I mean, in a idealistic society, people would have gardens again.
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You know, we would have Gardens and grow some food locally or have farmer's markets.
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All this is growing.
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I'm actually really encouraged with our current trends in society because people are more aware of this.
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So there's local farmers, there's local farmers markets.
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Um, buying from small vendors is going to be helpful because local foods are going to be cleaner.
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That's all there is to it.
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They're, but they're still using these pesticides because I've tried to grow apples We have a really old apple tree out front It's so hard and you know people want a pretty apple They don't want a wormhole in an apple that you have to cut around.
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It's really hard to grow apples
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I didn't think so.
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I had apple trees in Eugene.
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We got really nice apples.
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I sprayed it with sulfur.
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Oh, see, I haven't sprayed mine with anything.
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I tried doing the um, putting the little stockings around them and that didn't really help
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Sulfur's a nasty, one day, stinky job that you just, you know, put it on the hose and spray the bejeebies out of it, but it does work for a couple years in a row.
