Super Size Me: At the Movies with The Cancer Pod

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Welcome to episode 19 of The Cancer Pod.

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This is the third installment of the at the movies pod.

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In today's episode, we're reviewing Supersize Me a documentary from 2004.

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I'm Dr.

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Tina Kaczor, and when I was little my favorite fast food was Wendy's

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And I'm Dr.

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Lee Sherman.

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And when I was a kid, my favorite fast food was Arby's.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Horsey sauce!

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And we're two naturopathic doctors who practice integrative cancer.

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But we're not your doctors

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Welcome to The Cancer Pod.

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Hey, Tina

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Hey Leah.

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How's it going?

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Pretty well Hey Tina, this is the third movie of our series.

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I love this.

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I'm having a good time.

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This is fun.

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I mean, we're going to, we're going to revert back to our old format, but I think we're going to come back to these if people like them.

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Yes.

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We'll see what people say.

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So if you like it, let us know if you don't let us know that too.

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And so this last film in our At The Movies series is a 2004 film that was actually, I think it was a winner at Sundance.

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Yeah, it is called Supersize Me and I thought, I felt when it first came out, but tI actually think I saw it a few years later because yeah, I was in school when it came out and there's no way I watched a movie when I was in school.

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Cause I was too busy.

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That makes sense.

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So the movie is rated PG 13.

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I don't think we discussed the ratings on the previous ones, but they had like a lot of those little things in the upper left-hand corner.

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And I forgot what they're called.

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Cal language nudity, sexual content, smoking, substance use, and violence.

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Did it have all those things?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Definitely had the nudity.

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Well, yeah.

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So, um, the, the description of the movie, which is available if you have prime video it's available there.

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You know, if you have the subscription.

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It's for free on Pluto, TV, I think YouTube, and Tubi.

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The description is"director Morgan Spurlock's social experiment in fastfood gastronomy sees him attempting to subsist uniquely on food from the McDonald's menu for an entire month.

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In the process, his weight balloons, his energy level plummets..." this is giving away the hold dang movie.

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"He also examines the corporate giants growing role in the lives of American consumers and explores its methods of indoctrinating young people and its contribution to America's obesity epidemic." Okay.

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I didn't read that too well, but I didn't want to tell you all the stuff we're going to talk about.

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Got it.

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That's the premise of the movie.

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Yeah.

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So he basically eats McDonald's and only McDonald's for an entire month.

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He has very specific rules.

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He just can't eat willy nilly.

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Right.

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I mean, he has very specific guidelines.

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Yeah.

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So he sets out and he says, there's four rules.

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He will only, super-size a meal when he's asked to supersize a meal and he has to eat everything on the menu at least once.

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And if it's an item in McDonald's, doesn't sell it.

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He can't eat it so he can only eat off the menu, but that does include water.

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So he could purchase this water off the menu.

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And then he has to have three square meals per day.

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Now that's as eating rules.

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He kind of alludes and quickly kind of glosses over this point.

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He also is intentionally sedentary.

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Right?

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Cause he's a new Yorker and for anyone who's lived in New York city, I mean, you walk that's your transportation.

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Right.

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What's really funny is one of the McDonald's he shows at the beginning, I live near that one in the east village back in the day, but yeah, so he intentionally takes cabs instead of his usual walking.

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Yes.

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So that that's an important factor that we're going to come back to.

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And so what I want to do is I want to explain what supersize is.

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Supersize ended about the time, like right before the movie came.

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They stopped supersizing I believe it was in March of 2004.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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I thought it was just after the movie.

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You think it was just before the movie,

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The movie came out in May.

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Okay.

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And I thought that I had read that the supersizing stopped in March, so a large.

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soda available at McDonald's now is a 32 ounce.

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And so to supersize it you'd go up to 42 ounces and it was just like a few cents more, I don't know, maybe, maybe a quarter at the most, it wasn't that much.

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So a 42 ounce soda is 410 calories where as it's now 290 calories for a large, and then the fries were seven ounces.

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And now there's 6.2 ounces.

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And so I guess it went from 610 calories to now the large, the largest size you can get is 490 calories.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So roughly with the soda, it sounds like 42 ounces was 410 calories.

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So roughly 10 calories per ounce.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know.

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I think sometimes I think they have like self-serve things now, so it can vary, right?

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I mean, if, if you have, if you're pouring your own soda, like you can, at some fast food places, you can put very little ice and more drink, you know?

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So who knows, like when, if it was really 42 ounces, is it just more ice in the same amount of soda?

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Who knows?

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But anyway, so that's what supersize was because it no longer exists.

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Okay.

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Well, and McDonald's now does have all of this on their website, right?

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Their entire menu and its nutritional breakdown is on their website,

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right?

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Oh it's really, yeah.

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iT's kind of funny because in the movie they touch on that.

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It's on the website, but at the time in 2004 there weren't-

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Right.

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It wasn't as prevalent people weren't like on the internet as much.

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And so they kind of like were like,"yeah, but who's, who's got access to that, you know?

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And then they went around the restaurant and showed where all the signs were that actually talked about nutritional value, but yeah.

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Let's okay.

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So let's get started.

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We're going to start off, like we usually do.

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We're going to talk about things that we like, and then we'll talk about things that we didn't like.

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All right.

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Sound good?

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Let's do it last.

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All right.

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So let's talk about some things that we liked about the movie.

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I think, well, things that I found interesting about the movie, I guess that could be a positive thing was it talked about the lawsuits that took place.

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That was what started off the whole movie, a couple of girls in New York, they tried to Sue McDonald's saying that their, their weight gain was because of McDonald's.

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Yeah.

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So framing it with that in the very start of the whole documentary very interesting way to do it.

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And from a procedural perspective, cause he goes back to the whole childhood idea of McDonald's and children and-

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right.

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Yeah.

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So he talks, he talks about how like the marketing and the media and all of that revolving around McDonald's really appealed to kids.

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they did not win that lawsuit.

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They didn't know.

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In the end, you find out that they didn't win that lawsuit.

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And then as we talked about in the first movie, there was that cheeseburger bill, which is known as the.

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Personal responsibility in consumption act.

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And that passed, I believe in the house in 2005.

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And that basically was like you can't Sue fast food rescue.

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For any of your health problems, it's not their fault.

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You have personal responsibility.

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So the movie lawsuit that they talked about was in 2002, and then in 2004 or five, I think that bill was passed.

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Okay.

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So right after this movie came out, which is interesting.

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I mean, alongside that, and that's probably one of the reasons that now we have laws that stipulate that these restaurants must put their nutrition information where people can see it.

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Whether that's online on the wall in the restaurant, you have to be able to know.

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Or if you ask for it.

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They should be able to bring out like a, a folder or something.

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Yeah.

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I think there are actually in some, depending where you are, I think there is a mandatory posting, like you must make it publicly available.

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Yeah.

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So people can make the decision fully informed.

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Yeah.

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If people understand what that information means.

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Cause not everyone knows how to read a nutrition label, you know?

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So.

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Why am I looking at my notes and I'm not seeing the stuff that I liked?

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Oh, you know, what I thought was interesting was they showed serving sizes.

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Right.

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They did the comparison of serving size.

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And I guess at the time, um, they were, they interviewed a woman and she said that in France, the large soda was the same size as, a small in the U S so I think the small at the time was 16 ounces.

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And.

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That's the largest size available.

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So in, in France, I looked up what it is now, and the medium soda is the largest one you can get.

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And that 16 ounces and the smallest one you can get as a mini and it's eight ounces.

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And that's current in France.

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That's current in France.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know if they ever changed if they were always like that.

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So that, that was something that was interesting.

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It was just like what the different sizes are like a French fries.

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When McDonald's first started, and they had the tiny little fries and then what it grew up to be, you know, by the time the movie came out, it was a massive serving.

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Car companies changed their, the cup holders.

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Right.

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To fit the big drinks that started happening.

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So

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Yeah, I liked the entertainment value of this movie a lot.

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I mean, I definitely would say this was definitely more for entertainment than to say it was rigorous in any way, like In Defense of Food, felt like it was like, we're going to make sure we stick tried and true to the literature and the data and help people with a message at the end.

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This one.

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I don't know, a little bit more embellished.

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It was a shock you mentoree, right?

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That was the word that we learned that I think we were looking, we were struggling for that word.

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So the first film, but this is definitely a shocky mentoree.

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Like there were things in it that were to draw you in and I don't want to go into the bad stuff yet, but we'll stick with the good stuff, but that, but I mean, it was a very well done shocky mentoree, right?

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It had the music, it had the graphics, it had all of the gross out parts.

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They did, but at least they put that in a cartoon When they talked about the processing and the chicken nuggets, they used a cartoon to show us

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But not when he threw up.

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Well, the throwing up, I thought was a little odd because they put the minutes up there.

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Right.

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And they showed, this is what happens after 15 minutes, 22 minutes, whatever it was.

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And I was like, well, why did he eat so darn fast.

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Yeah.

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And look, we can get into that too.

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And on the, on the, on the second half of this.

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Okay.

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Let's take two.

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Can I say another thing I really liked?

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And I appreciate.

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I think it's a completely, especially in 2004, but still to some extent today, the whole marketing to children and adolescents and.

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You know, whether it's the playgrounds that they had, or, you know, the fact that McDonald's was a clown.

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I mean, there was, you don't create a clown as you're their spokes clown.

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And that, that is not for adults.

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That's clearly for children.

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And it took a page out of the tobacco industries, book of marketing to the young people to hit those reward centers in the brain that say, this is a good thing.

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This is a good thing.

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So that when they become adults and make their choices, They turn to the McDonald's drive through.

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So,

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and they still remember the song.

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Yeah, I

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got to say, I think I know more than one.

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I mean, which is funny, cause I actually know all of their little jingles and I didn't like hamburgers, so I didn't even eat that.

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And yeah, we ate McDonald's on special occasions.

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Like I remember.

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And what's funny is when he goes to Chinatown and cause he's eating burgers all over the country pretty much, but he goes to Chinatown and he pulls out the big Mac and he's like, this is the only big Mac I've ever had that actually looks like the picture.

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But that's what I remember them looking like when I was a kid, my sister and I like, my mom would cut it in half and then we'd have half of, you know, half a big Mac.

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Cause we were little and split a fry.

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Yeah, but, and have a milkshake of course, but it was special.

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It was like a very special occasion.

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I don't think I ever was like, oh, I want to go see Ronald McDonald because he was a clown and clowns are creepy.

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But anyways, we digress.

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Well in the movie, he mentioned that one in four Americans go to a fast food restaurant every day.

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Right.

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That seemed excessive to me.

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And I didn't look up the numbers on that, but, you know, I believe it.

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I totally believe it because it's convenient.

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You have kids, you work, you're busy.

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It's seemingly cheap.

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Like I, I do believe it.

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And if you see like the lines at lunch, when you're driving around.

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When I moved to New Mexico from New York, I had a car.

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I don't know if I'd ever personally driven through a drive-through that I can remember.

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And I was like fascinated every morning.

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I'd go to a different drive-through and get breakfast.

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Okay.

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So, I mean, it was easy.

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It was on my way to work.

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Why not get my coffee?

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you know, my breakfast burrito.

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Yeah.

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Well, back to what I thought they did well, was that, was it the ethical breach in, in marketing, specifically to children?

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I think they did a good job framing that and then bringing it to the lunch room where that's just perpetuated and kids eat cruddy food at lunch, and they're served really bad pre-packaged food.

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And then he takes us to that one place in Wisconsin that was feeding.

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Oh, the Appleton's the school in Appleton.

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That was, that was great.

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That was like my favorite part of the movie.

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So what was interesting is that when they were in the other school, And they're saying like, oh, well this isn't the only thing the kids are eating the kids, you know, they they're bringing their own lunches.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Those kids are eating just like soda and fries.

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Heck I remember when we, yeah, we got a milkshake machine in our school and I had fries and milkshake for lunch.

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Yeah.

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You know, I mean, it's just, if it's there, the kids are gonna eat it.

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I mean, I'm sorry.

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They're not going to be like, oh, this is a side dish for my healthful self.

00:14:38.381 --> 00:14:42.144
Well, heck no, no, you can't expect that children at all.

00:14:42.144 --> 00:14:43.554
You're going to go where your taste buds take you.

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So.

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The high school that they were talking about in Appleton Wisconsin is it's kind of a special school in that kids who aren't quite cutting it in like their regular school environment go there.

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And it's it kind of caters to whatever their needs are, you know, their learning or behavioral needs.

00:15:02.934 --> 00:15:03.205
Okay.

00:15:03.235 --> 00:15:04.764
So it's, it's in itself.

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It's a very cool program because they are trying to assist kids to grab.

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And they noticed that when they cleaned up the diet and gave them whole foods and colorful fruits and vegetables, and that they saw the teachers reported better behavior,

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better behavior, better focus.

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And ultimately there was no difference in the cost,

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which is amazing.

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It's incredible.

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You can have nutritious food.

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At pretty much the same price and yeah, I mean, and so many kids depend on the meals that are served at school.

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So if that's the only place that they can really get nutrition.

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Right.

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It should be the one place that's reliable.

00:15:42.452 --> 00:15:42.663
That's huge.

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It should be the one place that's reliable.

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The ramifications are felt over a lifetime.

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So the least we could do is get people to 18 with a healthy diet.

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I mean, especially when it's being USDA, you know, shipped by the USDA or stamped by them for their approval.

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I mean, the least they could do is put up enough guardrails to keep it healthy for these kids.

00:16:02.216 --> 00:16:03.176
oh, absolutely.

00:16:03.176 --> 00:16:08.546
And yeah, I think, like I mentioned, like, I think the story about the, the high school.

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Changes the diet and you can see a change in the kid's behavior.

00:16:13.225 --> 00:16:15.775
That definitely was my favorite part of the movie.

00:16:17.245 --> 00:16:19.046
Well, it was a positive message too, right?

00:16:19.046 --> 00:16:20.426
It's like, not just the problem of it.

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Here's someone who's trying out a solution and lo and behold.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And we liked that.

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We liked that.

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We like to see the solution.

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We just don't want problems throwing it out.

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Right.

00:16:30.086 --> 00:16:30.535
Exactly.

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So I, I agree.

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I liked that too.

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Was there anything else that...

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you know what I thought it wasn't really positive.

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It was just kind of like amusing was that man, Don Gorski, he only eats big Macs.

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He has at least two big Macs a day.

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And he's, He's a thin guy.

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He said big Macs are 90% of my solid food.

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Yeah.

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The dude eats nothing but big Macs.

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He eats nothing but big Macs, but he doesn't eat the fries, and he probably is not having the soda either.

00:17:03.010 --> 00:17:04.931
I would agree with you,'cause he's thin.

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He won a Guinness world record.

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I mean, actually like last year he consumed like 32,000 burgers since he started doing this

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well, and that, little piece right there, that he's not doing excessive number of calories.

00:17:20.273 --> 00:17:21.864
So the difference is Morgan.

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The guy who's in supersize me is eating nearly 5,000 calories a day.

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Yeah, that was ridiculous.

00:17:29.558 --> 00:17:37.838
And I, you know what, I found something that the dietician said he was eating 5,000, but I think when I did the math, it didn't come up that high either.

00:17:37.838 --> 00:17:43.419
And I don't know why I'm not finding my math here, but yeah, I think he was eating like 3,700.

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I think that was an exaggeration maybe cause to get 5,000.

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I mean, he must've had, maybe he was doing multiple sodas.

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That's what I'm thinking.

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I think it was mostly had a need mostly from soda because that's the only way you could get there.

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It was a lot of sugar.

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Yeah, because so a double quarter pounder with cheese is 740 calories.

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A double quarter pounder with cheese meal is 1,260 calories.

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And nowadays, I don't know what it was back then, but nowadays it comes with a medium fries and a medium soda.

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So that in itself is 1,260 calories.

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But if you supersized it, then it went up.

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I think he said he supersized only nine meals in the whole month though.

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Yeah.

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So I think.

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I, and I tried to look like I tried to see, I was like, there are two sodas on his desk, you know, I tried to see what he was eating.

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He was not eating their set meals and having these health effects.

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He was bingeing.

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Yes.

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I would definitely call it binging for 30 days in a row.

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Did you see at syrup he put on the pancakes, like what the heck?

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Like that was gross.

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So that's a whole segment we need to do on high fructose corn syrup,

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but that's, but that's just like, no, that's a, that's a segment we have to do on don't put that much syrup on stuff.

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I mean, that was like, would you like pancakes with your syrup?

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Right.

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But he's probably using the whole packet.

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Right.

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I mean, and that's, and I'm sure people do that.

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And maybe that was just for entertainment purposes, but may, if he actually ate that much syrup and that was more than one packet.

00:19:15.265 --> 00:19:15.775
I don't know.

00:19:15.805 --> 00:19:19.555
I just, we're starting to delve into the, uh,

00:19:20.365 --> 00:19:21.025
the other side,

00:19:21.144 --> 00:19:22.434
the other side of it, but, okay.

00:19:22.434 --> 00:19:29.130
So yeah, so the dietician claimed he ate 5,000 calories a day, with the average being 4,986.

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Right.

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That's what she says.

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And at the end of the movie, he said he ate a pound of sugar and a half a pound of fat every day.

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If that's the case, there's 3,600 calories approximately and just fat and sugar.

00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:50.839
So add another, you know, I don't know how many, 12 to 14 ounces of pure protein and you get 1400 more calories pretty easily.

00:19:51.345 --> 00:19:51.765
Okay.

00:19:51.944 --> 00:19:55.585
So it seems possible if it's true that he did a pound of sugar and a half a pound of fat.

00:19:55.585 --> 00:19:56.384
Now, I don't know.

00:19:56.835 --> 00:20:02.714
But can I say if somebody eats 5,000 calories a day of anything?

00:20:02.805 --> 00:20:03.194
Yeah.

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They're going to gain weight.

00:20:05.565 --> 00:20:08.325
5,000 calories a day is a lot of food.

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And i you are sedentary, it's a heck of a lot of food.

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Right.

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Because he was losing muscle mass at the same time.

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So his basal metabolic rate has caloric expenditure just to sit around, was going down, down, down throughout the month.

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As you lose muscle mass, you lose.

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You're kind of, you know, your body's idling kind of like your car idles and uses a little bit of gas before you step on the pedal.

00:20:31.049 --> 00:20:42.839
It's the same thing with your metabolism when you're sitting around watching TV or whatever, or you're using a few calories cause you're idling and the more muscle you have kind of the higher, the RPM, the higher your idol, there's more gas that you're using.

00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:48.806
So for a gentleman like him to be sedentary for a month, lose a good amount of muscle mass I taken 5,000 calories.

00:20:48.806 --> 00:20:51.875
He's probably doing that would be like 3000 calories a day in excess, right?.

00:20:52.405 --> 00:20:52.705
Oh, yeah.

00:20:53.016 --> 00:21:02.726
Well, the dietician told him to stay at 2,500 calories a day just to maintain his weight and limit his total fat to 80, 80 grams a day.

00:21:02.996 --> 00:21:04.286
That seems like a lot of fat.

00:21:04.615 --> 00:21:05.665
It does seem like a lot of fat.

00:21:05.846 --> 00:21:08.605
She said with 25 grams of saturated fat, I don't know.

00:21:08.695 --> 00:21:09.026
Okay.

00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:10.210
but it would have been nice to have.

00:21:10.210 --> 00:21:17.920
I mean, we saw the calipers come out, the exercise physiologists brought out the calipers and said, here's your fat, it was 11% at the beginning, but we never had a re measurement of that.

00:21:18.009 --> 00:21:18.460
Did you notice.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not like, I mean, I don't know how accurate calipers are.

00:21:23.065 --> 00:21:24.384
Oh, they're supposed to be fairly accurate.

00:21:24.384 --> 00:21:27.775
I mean, it's not like a flotation tank or something or, you know yeah.

00:21:27.785 --> 00:21:31.375
But I went to a gym and somebody did the calibers on me and they told me that I was obese.

00:21:31.784 --> 00:21:32.288
Oh yeah?

00:21:32.768 --> 00:21:33.307
Yeah.

00:21:33.847 --> 00:21:34.748
Well that doesn't make sense

00:21:35.351 --> 00:21:39.730
Another good point that I think the movie made was that there are fast food restaurants everywhere.

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Right?

00:21:40.060 --> 00:21:51.911
I mean, they're, McDonald's everywhere in airports and they mentioned hospitals and that's actually true because where my dad had his open heart surgery in Florida, there was a McDonald's when you walked in and.

00:21:53.550 --> 00:22:04.263
And I seem to recall that the little pad with the up and down button, on the floor, on the cardiology floor had the golden arches etched into it.

00:22:04.653 --> 00:22:05.284
Wow.

00:22:06.044 --> 00:22:10.273
I seem to remember that I could've, I know that that was true.

00:22:10.903 --> 00:22:15.193
We didn't have phones in, you know, with cameras back then, so I couldn't have documented it.

00:22:15.253 --> 00:22:19.034
There's no evidence, but yeah, no, it was, I mean, that's shocking, right?

00:22:19.034 --> 00:22:23.834
Like, you know, your dad's in there for open heart surgery and you know, you can go downstairs and get McDonald's if you want.

00:22:24.114 --> 00:22:31.753
So, I watched this movie, actually both times I watched it with my husband and when he was in high school, he worked at McDonald's.

00:22:31.753 --> 00:22:35.534
So he gave me some little insider tips on how to order off the menu.

00:22:37.364 --> 00:22:46.814
He said that because when they showed the fish filet and like how gross it was, he said, if you want it ordered fresh, just ask for it without cheese or without tartar sauce.

00:22:46.814 --> 00:22:48.104
And they have to make it fresh.

00:22:48.644 --> 00:22:50.653
Oh, okay.

00:22:51.193 --> 00:22:52.183
So that was a little.

00:22:53.098 --> 00:22:53.848
Little tidbit,

00:22:54.269 --> 00:22:55.618
a little, a little tidbit.

00:22:56.068 --> 00:22:58.229
And just, if you want the tartar sauce asked for it on the side,

00:22:58.378 --> 00:23:00.749
just for the record, that was a whole nother chain.

00:23:00.778 --> 00:23:05.929
That was burger Kings, jingle, hold the pickles, hold the lead a special orders don't upset us.

00:23:06.568 --> 00:23:06.898
Remember?

00:23:07.469 --> 00:23:09.179
Oh, I remember.

00:23:09.479 --> 00:23:11.969
Was it, have it your way at burger king?

00:23:11.999 --> 00:23:12.479
That's it.

00:23:12.959 --> 00:23:17.279
Now you can sit at burger king, have it your way Okay.

00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:22.289
So we kind of talked about the more positive sides of the movie.

00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.819
And when we come back, we will talk about what we, what we didn't like

00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:29.160
and what they didn't cover.

00:23:30.525 --> 00:23:31.065
Oh,

00:23:31.454 --> 00:23:31.964
'til then.

00:23:52.904 --> 00:23:53.115
So.

00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:59.420
We forgot to mention something that we liked, or I should say I liked, I liked his girlfriend.

00:23:59.450 --> 00:24:03.259
I thought she was a good addition in there as a vegan chef, her perspective.

00:24:03.259 --> 00:24:04.039
And she was entertaining.

00:24:04.369 --> 00:24:04.640
Right.

00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.950
She was a good foil, I guess you would call.

00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:07.519
Sure.

00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:07.910
Okay.

00:24:08.299 --> 00:24:16.730
You know, like she was, she was there for him, you know, while he was, while he was doing his McDonald's experiment.

00:24:16.730 --> 00:24:18.200
And then in the end, she.

00:24:19.035 --> 00:24:27.404
Prepared some sort of, she called it her detox diet to kind of get him off the, uh, the McDonald's and into healthy food.

00:24:27.944 --> 00:24:28.424
Yeah.

00:24:28.454 --> 00:24:28.605
And

00:24:28.605 --> 00:24:31.118
so, uh, so they showed his labs.

00:24:31.209 --> 00:24:35.558
I want to talk about that for a moment, because I feel like they didn't tell us a few things that were important.

00:24:36.128 --> 00:24:38.038
Of course, I froze the screen on his labs.

00:24:38.048 --> 00:24:47.884
Cause I wanted to see them more, you know, line item and I could make out that for whatever reason he was having an auto-immune response, his thyroid antibodies were up.

00:24:48.515 --> 00:24:52.444
So there was a thyroid thing going on during this month that he didn't talk about.

00:24:52.924 --> 00:24:53.555
Wow,

00:24:53.914 --> 00:24:56.765
I'm not saying it was perpetuated after that month was over.

00:24:56.765 --> 00:25:02.265
It was probably due to the diet, but there was an endocrine effect of this diet for him.

00:25:02.765 --> 00:25:03.845
What did you see on the lab?

00:25:04.474 --> 00:25:13.088
It was antibodies to thyroid peroxidase, basically he had his T3 is free T3 and T4 were fine.

00:25:13.239 --> 00:25:14.588
His TSH was high.

00:25:15.294 --> 00:25:22.017
So by all indications is thyroid was making thyroid hormone, but it was also having a little trouble doing so,

00:25:22.557 --> 00:25:24.537
but we don't know if that happened beforehand.

00:25:25.257 --> 00:25:30.881
No, because we only had that one clip, but my point is it's been Le it was left out of the whole storyboard.

00:25:31.270 --> 00:25:32.050
Oh, interesting.

00:25:32.111 --> 00:25:36.601
And if the thyroid is not functioning, normally that can certainly have an additive effect to all the other things.

00:25:37.586 --> 00:25:38.875
Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:25:38.905 --> 00:25:39.986
Oh, good eye.

00:25:40.118 --> 00:25:46.209
And the other thing that I feel like I want to add at this point, is that he said he would feel depressed.

00:25:46.509 --> 00:25:47.048
Got it.

00:25:47.169 --> 00:25:55.598
They showed, he was nutrient deprived on that particular diet, but he said he felt so much better every time he ate and what they didn't mention.

00:25:55.719 --> 00:25:59.828
And I think this would be an interesting point is what else is in that food?

00:26:00.459 --> 00:26:02.118
What we call excitotoxins.

00:26:02.693 --> 00:26:07.614
The chemical compounds that make you crave that particular food and make you feel better,

00:26:07.824 --> 00:26:11.513
or we touched on, they didn't quite say what it was, but they did touch on that.

00:26:11.513 --> 00:26:14.604
The food is made in a way with, you know, those,

00:26:14.723 --> 00:26:22.824
I think if you already know that you would know that, right, like you already know that you caught it in the movie, but I think it was glossed over so quickly.

00:26:23.034 --> 00:26:27.864
And so incompletely, he just sits down with gastroenterologists and says, I feel horrible until I eat this stuff.

00:26:27.864 --> 00:26:29.124
And then I feel so much better.

00:26:30.189 --> 00:26:31.479
My brain goes to all of that.

00:26:31.479 --> 00:26:36.848
Cause they dropped a few chemical compounds in there that affect your neuro-transmitters in such a way to make you feel good.

00:26:37.269 --> 00:26:39.078
Is that on the ingredient list?

00:26:39.338 --> 00:26:40.808
Do you see things that say.

00:26:41.505 --> 00:26:41.924
No.

00:26:41.924 --> 00:26:51.644
And I don't think you have to claim that the food industry, as you know, processed food in general is processed not only for shelf life, but also to become an addictive factor.

00:26:51.644 --> 00:26:57.674
And the only way to do that is to ring your bells up top in your head where your neuro-transmitters say, yeah, that's good.

00:26:58.154 --> 00:27:01.845
And so it doesn't matter if it's McDonald's KFC or taco bell, they're all doing it

00:27:02.295 --> 00:27:04.454
or cool ranch doritos, or cool ranch

00:27:04.454 --> 00:27:05.144
Doritos.

00:27:06.194 --> 00:27:19.785
So something else that I found that was totally interesting was so McDonald's doesn't have salads anymore and they stopped the salads last year, and I think they were citing supply chain issues.

00:27:20.174 --> 00:27:25.942
But what's interesting is because I looked at the menus for McDonald's in France and in Great Britain.

00:27:26.271 --> 00:27:32.632
And they, they have salads there and actually in France and great Britain, they offer vegetarian options.

00:27:33.457 --> 00:27:39.156
And I think it was in France, they have gluten-free options and in England they have vegan options.

00:27:40.176 --> 00:27:45.007
So the French fries here in the States are not vegan.

00:27:45.037 --> 00:27:49.807
They have beef flavoring, which is not made from beef, but it is made from wheat and dairy.

00:27:51.082 --> 00:27:54.501
And by the way, those compounds that I was talking about that affected your transmitters.

00:27:54.652 --> 00:27:57.051
They're almost always couched as flavoring.

00:27:57.622 --> 00:27:58.281
Oh, interesting.

00:27:58.342 --> 00:27:58.912
Yeah.

00:27:58.942 --> 00:28:00.142
It makes them proprietary.

00:28:00.592 --> 00:28:07.551
But I, I thought that was kind of a surprise that the natural beef flavoring it is made from natural things, but it's not made from beef.

00:28:07.791 --> 00:28:08.571
And they did that.

00:28:08.571 --> 00:28:12.051
They put the natural beef flavoring in that's made from dairy and wheat.

00:28:12.352 --> 00:28:15.471
They put that in their fries because the fries used to be cooked in lard.

00:28:15.771 --> 00:28:17.001
And then they took the lard out.

00:28:17.606 --> 00:28:20.517
Replaced it with vegetable oil and people complained about the flavor.

00:28:20.517 --> 00:28:22.287
And so they added beef flavoring in.

00:28:23.487 --> 00:28:34.076
So to all of you, gluten-free vegans eating McDonald's fries stop, but you can go to Europe and do it because apparently over there it's not, they don't use that.

00:28:34.287 --> 00:28:35.876
It's a long way to go for some fries though.

00:28:36.507 --> 00:28:38.126
I had someone, I went to England.

00:28:38.936 --> 00:28:41.126
I wanted to see what McDonald's was like over there.

00:28:41.126 --> 00:28:41.876
I just had the fries.

00:28:41.876 --> 00:28:43.896
I didn't have anything else.

00:28:43.896 --> 00:28:46.977
but yeah, it is kind of interesting to see the difference in the menu.

00:28:48.801 --> 00:28:49.192
I agree,

00:28:49.701 --> 00:28:50.031
but yeah.

00:28:50.031 --> 00:28:57.741
So no salads, you can't get a salad, you can't get the parfait and other things that they mentioned allegedly because of the supply chain issues.

00:28:58.162 --> 00:28:59.211
I did not know that.

00:28:59.781 --> 00:29:05.451
Yeah, because when I Googled it, I was like, oh, how much, how many calories are in or in a salad that the British site came up.

00:29:06.082 --> 00:29:06.471
Okay.

00:29:06.471 --> 00:29:15.442
So when we first started, we kind of mentioned about the shocking mentoree aspect with the music, those like creepy title cards.

00:29:16.386 --> 00:29:25.356
Like sometimes they, with the clowns, did you notice, like, you know, they would come up in like the title card said, Sue the bastards and then it said like nutrition and the last mixed supper.

00:29:25.356 --> 00:29:27.336
Those are the same that I kind of took note of.

00:29:27.606 --> 00:29:31.457
But then there was like, there were like creepy clown drawings on some of them.

00:29:32.517 --> 00:29:34.926
So that's kind of that whole shocking entry aspect.

00:29:34.926 --> 00:29:44.336
And then the gross out moments where he, well, Gorgeous himself on food within a short period of time and then throws up and then they show it.

00:29:44.666 --> 00:29:45.176
Yeah.

00:29:45.477 --> 00:29:45.656
Yeah.

00:29:45.656 --> 00:29:47.217
They didn't just give us the sound effect.

00:29:47.906 --> 00:29:52.676
And can I ask, like, why did we need to see him get a prostate exam?

00:29:53.247 --> 00:29:54.717
That's a really good question.

00:29:55.467 --> 00:29:58.527
I think that he set her on the heels of that happening.

00:29:58.527 --> 00:30:02.467
He said something about the checkups being thorough.

00:30:02.856 --> 00:30:03.557
Oh, okay.

00:30:03.876 --> 00:30:05.317
Well, that one was very thorough.

00:30:05.886 --> 00:30:11.227
So not only do we see the prostate exam, but we see it from the angle, the perspective of the doctor.

00:30:11.317 --> 00:30:13.507
Oh yeah, that's correct.

00:30:14.196 --> 00:30:15.457
And that would be the nudity.

00:30:15.457 --> 00:30:17.527
That is the only nudity that I can recall.00:30:17.646 --> 00:30:18.007


Yes.00:30:18.457 --> 00:30:18.666


Okay.00:30:18.666 --> 00:30:21.217


There were like some parts of the movie that didn't age.00:30:21.217 --> 00:30:26.307


Well, and the first part was when they had Jared from Subway.00:30:26.727 --> 00:30:27.757


Yes, Jared00:30:27.771 --> 00:30:30.811


from Subway who talked to the young woman 14 year old.00:30:30.811 --> 00:30:31.301


He, well,00:30:31.321 --> 00:30:34.491


he, and it was, he was mostly talking with her mom, right?00:30:35.061 --> 00:30:35.481


Yes.00:30:35.511 --> 00:30:36.741


But still, so he's talking.00:30:36.741 --> 00:30:37.011


Yeah.00:30:37.011 --> 00:30:46.461


So he's talking to a young girl and fast forward, I don't know how many years Jared is now serving 15 plus years in the state penitentiary.00:30:47.406 --> 00:30:54.007


Because he was found with child pornography and he had paid and traveled out of state to have sex with an underage girl.00:30:54.547 --> 00:30:57.186


So as soon as Jared, I forgot he was in the movie.00:30:57.186 --> 00:30:59.317


And as soon as he showed up, like I just shut down.00:30:59.317 --> 00:31:00.997


I was like, oh my gosh, no.00:31:01.116 --> 00:31:01.507


Right.00:31:02.017 --> 00:31:04.596


But the offense happened years after this movie was made00:31:05.136 --> 00:31:05.886


or he was found.00:31:06.682 --> 00:31:06.981


Right.00:31:07.011 --> 00:31:07.192


No.00:31:07.192 --> 00:31:07.432


Yeah.00:31:07.432 --> 00:31:07.971


Well, yes.00:31:08.001 --> 00:31:10.372


He was found guilty of the offense.00:31:10.461 --> 00:31:11.211


Years later.00:31:11.511 --> 00:31:11.721


Right.00:31:11.721 --> 00:31:13.662


So when the movie was made that no one knew anything.00:31:13.791 --> 00:31:14.511


Nobody knew.00:31:14.511 --> 00:31:14.842


Right.00:31:14.842 --> 00:31:22.521


I mean, it was like miraculous how all this guy did was eat at subway and he lost all this weight and he, you know, his famous thing was holding up his pants.00:31:22.521 --> 00:31:22.821


Right.00:31:22.821 --> 00:31:25.872


Like, which he did showing his pants that he used to wear.00:31:26.152 --> 00:31:26.211


Yeah.00:31:26.332 --> 00:31:26.662


Yeah.00:31:26.662 --> 00:31:31.342


And he basically went around the country telling anyone who's overweight, you can lose weight, just go to subway and eat.00:31:31.791 --> 00:31:32.152


Right.00:31:32.422 --> 00:31:35.771


Yeah, which he did in the movie apparently because the 14 year old said I can't afford that.00:31:36.342 --> 00:31:36.906


There you go.00:31:37.237 --> 00:31:38.376


So onward, yes.00:31:38.557 --> 00:31:38.886


Okay.00:31:38.886 --> 00:31:59.076


So, and then the other part that didn't age well, was that when all of the me too stuff started happening in Hollywood, Morgan Spurlock actually came out and he confessed- I think it was like in a tweet- that he had committed like numerous acts of sexual, I guess, misconduct.00:31:59.076 --> 00:31:59.436


Right.00:31:59.797 --> 00:32:02.586


A woman had wants to accused him of rape in college.00:32:02.616 --> 00:32:10.896


And then he said, There was a case of sexual harassment in the workplace that had a claim was against him.00:32:11.436 --> 00:32:16.477


And then he also said that he had been unfaithful to his past wives and girlfriends.00:32:17.227 --> 00:32:27.037


And at the time Supersize Me 2 was coming out, and because of this confession of him just being like, I'm putting this out there, this is, you know, something I did.00:32:27.576 --> 00:32:27.787


Yeah.00:32:27.787 --> 00:32:28.846


Then the second one.00:32:29.781 --> 00:32:30.561


Didn't do well.00:32:30.771 --> 00:32:35.751


It just where things where it's like, oh man, like these, these things, like I said,00:32:36.201 --> 00:32:38.662


See this is why I don't want to know any of the backstories.00:32:38.949 --> 00:32:40.538


I know, I know it's reality.00:32:41.304 --> 00:32:41.844


But yeah.00:32:41.844 --> 00:32:46.253


And then that had nothing to do with the movie, but the Jared thing, I was just kinda like skeeved.00:32:46.253 --> 00:32:47.104


I was like, really?00:32:48.930 --> 00:32:57.021


And I I'm so sheltered from anything that has to do with pop culture that I had no idea when I watched it has it, it has its advantages.00:32:57.592 --> 00:32:58.582


Yes, it does.00:32:58.582 --> 00:32:59.061


It does.00:32:59.721 --> 00:33:06.165


The part of the movie that I disliked the most was the fa shaming00:33:06.165 --> 00:33:06.536


Yes.00:33:07.145 --> 00:33:17.896


So the visuals in the movie, I mean, it starts off with queen singing, fat bottom girls, and it's just all of these images of morbidly obese people with their heads obscured.00:33:18.257 --> 00:33:18.586


Right.00:33:19.156 --> 00:33:23.507


And it just kind of like that perpetuates through this whole movie.00:33:23.777 --> 00:33:32.386


And then there's this one scene where he's sitting at a table eating McDonald's and it's like a Violent Femme song, Fat, is playing as part of the soundtrack and.00:33:33.362 --> 00:33:39.991


This person walks behind him and goes and gets like a soda or something pops back and he's just chewing and eating.00:33:39.991 --> 00:33:43.352


And it's like, it's a fairly large person is behind him.00:33:43.981 --> 00:33:46.731


I was horrified.00:33:47.446 --> 00:33:51.166


At that point I was just, I think I screamed and I was like, what is this?00:33:51.166 --> 00:33:53.267


Like, how are you fat shaming people?00:33:53.326 --> 00:33:54.707


Oh, it was just what was wrong.00:33:54.737 --> 00:33:55.967


It was so wrong.00:33:55.997 --> 00:33:56.326


Yeah.00:33:56.356 --> 00:33:58.336


I know exactly the scene you're talking about it.00:33:58.336 --> 00:34:02.626


It was really uncomfortable, and I was wondering where he was going to go with that scene, but that was the whole scene.00:34:02.656 --> 00:34:03.737


That was the scene.00:34:03.767 --> 00:34:10.577


And I don't know if it was staged or what, but it, if it wasn't, if it was staged, that was wrong.00:34:10.876 --> 00:34:11.056


Yeah.00:34:11.777 --> 00:34:15.407


If it wasn't staged, that was a complete violation.00:34:15.436 --> 00:34:16.967


I mean, that was, I don't know what that was.00:34:17.626 --> 00:34:22.726


Well, I think it's the part of him where he was showing us a little bit of a jerk.00:34:23.297 --> 00:34:23.896


Yeah, he is.00:34:24.016 --> 00:34:32.702


I mean, only, only a true unempathetic a-hole would do that and keep it in the movie.00:34:32.762 --> 00:34:35.371


He made the choice of keeping it in the actual film.00:34:35.371 --> 00:34:39.572


I mean, maybe he was having a bad day and he was a total bad mood.00:34:39.722 --> 00:34:46.802


It was distasteful because it was kind of reflective of what was he conveying with his eyes?00:34:47.402 --> 00:34:48.331


Incredulity?00:34:48.871 --> 00:34:51.572


Yeah, that scene was just bad.00:34:52.697 --> 00:34:55.007


As if all the previous footage wasn't enough.00:34:55.367 --> 00:34:56.536


And now let's be clear.00:34:56.867 --> 00:34:59.956


He starts this whole thing at six foot two, a hundred eighty five pounds.00:34:59.956 --> 00:35:01.246


And he's fairly strapping.00:35:01.757 --> 00:35:04.516


Like he's not fat, he's got 11% body fat.00:35:04.907 --> 00:35:05.086


Right.00:35:05.086 --> 00:35:06.916


So it's even worse coming from him, right.00:35:06.916 --> 00:35:12.376


It's not like, it's like, dude, you have no idea what these people are going through.00:35:12.976 --> 00:35:20.536


And his position of being completely not empathetic or sympathetic with anyone who's struggling seems to come through.00:35:21.106 --> 00:35:25.306


Yeah, no, that's kind of solidifies like his, his jerk factor.00:35:25.907 --> 00:35:28.306


Which is interesting because here goes his health.00:35:28.427 --> 00:35:29.447


he gets a fatty liver.00:35:29.447 --> 00:35:30.706


His cholesterol goes through the roof.00:35:30.706 --> 00:35:31.416


He looks like crap.00:35:31.416 --> 00:35:32.177


He feels like crap.00:35:32.476 --> 00:35:37.726


And I found myself not all that empathetic with the man and now, and re reflecting, you know, talking about it out loud.00:35:37.737 --> 00:35:46.771


I'm like, that's probably why I was like, I didn't really feel empathy for him, maybe because all along it was kind of being not very nice.00:35:47.282 --> 00:35:51.992


So I didn't, I didn't have that warm, fuzzy feeling or any kind of feeling like, oh dude, be careful.00:35:52.621 --> 00:35:53.132


Oh, right.00:35:53.132 --> 00:35:54.452


Yeah, no, not at all.00:35:54.692 --> 00:36:04.472


But, oh, there, there was a part in the movie that I thought was really funny when he started describing, like he was having this sensation in his midsection and he's like, he feels like a wishing in his penis.00:36:04.891 --> 00:36:09.032


And then the next scene he's at the doctor, he went to see the gastroenterologist about this.00:36:09.429 --> 00:36:09.760


Yeah.00:36:09.789 --> 00:36:13.690


Do you think that that had something to do with the gastroenterologist being a female?00:36:14.050 --> 00:36:15.070


I don't know.00:36:15.219 --> 00:36:21.219


I don't know if he discussed it with all of his doctors, because he saw a cardiologist, a gastroenterologist and an internal medicine doc.00:36:21.579 --> 00:36:23.469


I don't know if that was something he discussed with all of them.00:36:23.469 --> 00:36:27.369


And he just kept that part in where he talked to the female gastroenterologists.00:36:27.789 --> 00:36:32.469


But yeah, when the, when they cut and he's like talking to her, I'm like, why didn't he go to her for that?00:36:33.550 --> 00:36:35.050


That's just so weird.00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:39.880


Either one of the other two would have been more appropriate because it's probably a vascular issue.00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.550


If there's no blood flow issues with the cardiologist would make sense.00:36:42.550 --> 00:36:45.400


And then the other gentleman was an internist, so yeah.00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:49.780


And so then finding out about the whole me too thing, I'm like,00:36:51.699 --> 00:36:52.000


okay.00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.719


So we're also looking at it through the lens of 2022.00:36:56.349 --> 00:37:05.235


So I'm just saying that, because I think that some of this at that time he was doing that more blatantly than we would want to see now.00:37:05.235 --> 00:37:05.494


Right.00:37:05.764 --> 00:37:09.965


This is not the way he would make the movie now, for sure.00:37:10.965 --> 00:37:15.855


And I'm actually curious to see the Supersize Me 2, because it's about the chicken industry.00:37:15.855 --> 00:37:28.878


And apparently, like there were some farmers who were really hoping that he would come out with this movie because, you know, poultry farmers, because he was kind of exposing, things that were wrong on their end, you know, like, so, but.00:37:30.818 --> 00:37:32.907


I'll watch that on my own, on my own dime.00:37:36.268 --> 00:37:37.257


Was there anything else?00:37:37.257 --> 00:37:39.208


I mean, there were the experts, right?00:37:39.208 --> 00:37:41.788


So the experts that they had in the movie.00:37:42.387 --> 00:37:43.648


some of them we'd seen before.00:37:43.648 --> 00:37:50.998


One of them was Neil Barnard, who is from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, which is that animal activist group.00:37:52.018 --> 00:37:55.887


And then the other expert that we had seen before.00:37:55.947 --> 00:37:57.898


Oh, so he was in the first movie that we saw.00:37:58.858 --> 00:38:02.038


And then the other expert was Marion, Nestle, and she was in.00:38:02.878 --> 00:38:03.987


In Defense of Food.00:38:03.987 --> 00:38:10.327


And she was a professor at NYU, a professor of nutrition and food studies in public health.00:38:10.947 --> 00:38:16.447


So there were some experts that weren't unfamiliar if you watched the other two movies beforehand.00:38:16.967 --> 00:38:18.867


Or if you've seen this movie before then00:38:19.438 --> 00:38:20.157


I liked that Dr.00:38:20.157 --> 00:38:21.748


Nestle's name is Nestle00:38:22.063 --> 00:38:22.963


I love that her name.00:38:22.992 --> 00:38:25.362


I forgot to look up to see if she actually was related.00:38:25.362 --> 00:38:29.563


But yeah, I noticed that in the last movie, that her name was Nestle, and I like her.00:38:29.563 --> 00:38:31.182


I mean, I like the information she gives.00:38:31.722 --> 00:38:34.992


So my takeaway, because there is another movie that came out.00:38:35.858 --> 00:38:42.088


That somebody did, that was kind of like a rebuttal to this movie, Fat Head.00:38:42.208 --> 00:38:45.748


There's a movie called Fat Head that came out in 2009.00:38:45.748 --> 00:38:50.068


And it was this guy who, I think he's a comedian and somewhere that said he was a health writer as well.00:38:50.697 --> 00:38:58.228


And he only ate McDonald's and he actually lost weight, but I, I started to watch the movie and I was like, oh, I don't, I've seen enough McDonald's for a lifetime.00:38:58.588 --> 00:38:59.818


There was also a book like that.00:39:00.657 --> 00:39:10.226


In Iowa, who did it, ate just McDonald's for three months and lost a lot of weight, but he calorically, he kept his calories down to 2000 and he walked, four or five miles a day.00:39:10.766 --> 00:39:11.186


Yeah.00:39:11.485 --> 00:39:12.536


So it's possible.00:39:12.536 --> 00:39:15.865


I think kind of like my big takeaway is the serving size.00:39:15.865 --> 00:39:18.565


I mean, don't eat 5,000 calories a day, right?00:39:18.596 --> 00:39:21.445


I mean, maybe that's, I dunno, how many, like professional athletes.00:39:22.271 --> 00:39:23.440


How many calories they eat.00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:28.871


I know that if you're working out all the time and you're, you know, training for the Olympics, you can eat that many calories.00:39:29.260 --> 00:39:31.240


Can we talk about what a calorie is?00:39:31.931 --> 00:39:32.440


Oh, that's right.00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.360


They did ask people, what is a calorie?00:39:34.601 --> 00:39:36.010


What is a calorie, Tina?00:39:36.371 --> 00:39:38.561


Well, it's a unit of energy ultimately.00:39:38.831 --> 00:39:39.251


Right?00:39:39.251 --> 00:39:43.661


And so of course, if you do it, Morgan did, and you sat around.00:39:44.170 --> 00:39:49.931


You're only, you're only using up the calories that you need to sit there and idle on a couch for 24 hours a day.00:39:50.471 --> 00:39:51.101


And that's not much.00:39:51.985 --> 00:39:55.016


But if you exercise, you burn the calories.00:39:55.436 --> 00:39:56.905


And so you can take in more calories.00:39:56.905 --> 00:40:03.056


So if he did those 5,000 calories and he kept up with his four to five miles a day, I bet his labs wouldn't change that much.00:40:03.445 --> 00:40:07.579


He might gain a little bit of, weight because he wasn't walking off all 5,000 or whatever.00:40:07.579 --> 00:40:19.009


But if he kept up his usual exercise routine and the dude definitely had an exercise routine before, if he kept it up, it might not have been anywhere near as profound a change on his labs.00:40:19.009 --> 00:40:20.409


and his physical being.00:40:20.798 --> 00:40:22.199


True, true.00:40:22.414 --> 00:40:27.423


Because a calorie is and the energy and you have to either expand it or store it.00:40:27.454 --> 00:40:32.014


That's it, once it goes in your mouth, I mean, other than eliminating it in your stool.00:40:33.193 --> 00:40:35.989


So I actually wrote down like what they said the calorie was.00:40:35.989 --> 00:40:38.358


Cause I was like, when we were interviewing people, what's it calorie.00:40:38.358 --> 00:40:48.409


I was like, it's a unit of energy, but specifically it's one calorie is the amount of energy it takes to raise the temperature of a liter of water by one degree centigrade degree.00:40:48.858 --> 00:40:49.188


Yeah.00:40:49.668 --> 00:40:51.199


You know, that's a trivial pursuit question?00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:51.918


Is it?00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:52.338


Yeah.00:40:52.469 --> 00:40:53.478


It's one of the green ones.00:40:53.489 --> 00:40:53.728


Yeah.00:40:59.884 --> 00:41:00.333


Okay.00:41:00.454 --> 00:41:09.061


I have to say one thing in your honor, you probably didn't even notice this, but there was a whiteboard behind Morgan in some of these shots that he did at his office.00:41:09.661 --> 00:41:15.719


Did you see, there was a word on that whiteboard that you have used in a past episode that I thought was funny?00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:20.730


Well, other people thought it was funny too, but he had the word brain farts.00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.480


I saw that I saw the brain parts thing.00:41:24.630 --> 00:41:25.260


I think those were.00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:27.960


Like, um, projects he was working on.00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:28.829


I think so too.00:41:28.829 --> 00:41:33.239


The whole thing in the back on implied that he w that he worked on documentaries in general.00:41:33.389 --> 00:41:33.840


Right, right.00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:35.039


I think that's what he does.00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:35.340


Yeah.00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:36.840


But I saw the brain parts there.00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:37.949


I did notice that.00:41:38.190 --> 00:41:38.519


Yeah.00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:39.300


Yeah.00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.019


It made me laugh.00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:44.219


So if there are people who haven't seen this and don't really want us.00:41:44.954 --> 00:41:49.094


The net result is his cholesterol goes up, his triglycerides go up.00:41:49.123 --> 00:41:49.634


He gets,00:41:49.833 --> 00:41:51.463


By, like 200.00:41:51.463 --> 00:41:58.184


I mean, like I wrote down his, his labs initially, and then what they went to, like his triglycerides were like really low initially.00:41:58.514 --> 00:41:59.804


And then they like skyrocket.00:42:00.733 --> 00:42:01.273


Yes.00:42:01.813 --> 00:42:10.929


And so the very first movie in this series that we had, which was What The Health demonized saturated.00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:17.409


In this one, I noticed only the nutritionist really brought up sugar and the other, the doctors were all about the fat.00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.179


That's a lot of fat and you're eating a lot of fat.00:42:19.603 --> 00:42:24.860


The take home from this, I mean the bottom line is it's the fat and sugar combination.00:42:24.860 --> 00:42:25.579


That's the worst.00:42:25.579 --> 00:42:30.769


So even in this movie, when he talked to the son of the Baskin Robbins,00:42:30.769 --> 00:42:31.340


Right, right.00:42:31.550 --> 00:42:33.378


And he's a health guy.00:42:33.378 --> 00:42:38.327


I mean, he's turned away from the ice cream empire because of health reasons.00:42:38.507 --> 00:42:40.818


The point is ice cream is like the worst.00:42:40.878 --> 00:42:43.487


You have a lot of fat and you have a lot of sugar.00:42:43.878 --> 00:42:49.878


So just think of that as the prototypical kind of worst metabolically, the worst thing you can do, and it doesn't have a ton of nutrients.00:42:50.268 --> 00:42:52.938


I mean, milk has some but metabolically.00:42:52.938 --> 00:43:01.309


The worst storm is when you put excessive fat with excessive simple carbohydrate, that's the, that's the worst metabolic condition, you can put your body in.00:43:01.909 --> 00:43:02.989


And he did it really well.00:43:03.230 --> 00:43:04.050


He did it every day.00:43:04.260 --> 00:43:05.489


Yeah, for 30 days.00:43:05.530 --> 00:43:10.483


but yeah, so that's so, okay, so let's, let's cut to the rating.00:43:11.083 --> 00:43:16.032


I'm curious to know on our scale of five broccoli, five broccoli being the best.00:43:16.632 --> 00:43:18.043


What rating would you give this movie?00:43:18.043 --> 00:43:18.342


Tina?00:43:19.302 --> 00:43:21.193


I'm going to give it three.00:43:22.632 --> 00:43:24.253


One, I think I'm feeling pretty generous.00:43:24.552 --> 00:43:28.853


I think it's worth watching, but I think it's pretty clearly embellished.00:43:29.577 --> 00:43:33.268


I do find the most offensive aspects, his fat shaming.00:43:34.378 --> 00:43:36.297


I think that's very distasteful.00:43:36.838 --> 00:43:43.047


I think that, yeah, there was a little gratuitous parts, like the prostate exam at the same time.00:43:43.047 --> 00:43:48.418


I think that if the average American watches it, they might walk away with, okay.00:43:48.987 --> 00:43:50.818


Some of the messaging comes across.00:43:51.583 --> 00:43:58.003


Again, I kind of go back to the kids, you know, I think that that, that's the messaging that I wished we could just Institute like yesterday.00:43:58.543 --> 00:43:59.023


How about you?00:43:59.112 --> 00:44:00.072


What would you give it?00:44:00.253 --> 00:44:00.492


I'm going00:44:00.492 --> 00:44:07.483


to give it a two, two broccoli, because I mean, I think a lot of the information is dated, right?00:44:07.632 --> 00:44:15.822


Because I mean, there have been changes at, McDonald's not that I'm defending McDonald's in any way, but I think you can get a similar message by watching a different movie.00:44:16.342 --> 00:44:16.932


I don't know.00:44:16.932 --> 00:44:29.083


I think by watching In Defense of Food, you can get a similar message without it being this gross out, you know, like him vomiting, even that at animation, I thought it was gross with the chickens.00:44:29.083 --> 00:44:31.452


Like, I don't know.00:44:31.512 --> 00:44:35.083


I just, I think, I think 2.00:44:35.103 --> 00:44:35.893


Yeah, there was it.00:44:35.893 --> 00:44:39.913


Wasn't completely horrible, but yeah.00:44:40.918 --> 00:44:41.128


Yeah.00:44:41.128 --> 00:44:42.447


And I was flipping it around in my brain.00:44:42.447 --> 00:44:47.097


What would I, what do I give it for a 2004 film compared to current film?00:44:47.097 --> 00:44:52.137


And I think yes, today, if it came out yesterday, I wouldn't have given it less, for sure.00:44:52.588 --> 00:44:52.887


Yeah.00:44:52.918 --> 00:44:59.038


And I think when I watched it, whenever it was 2007, maybe I think I was like, oh wow.00:44:59.068 --> 00:45:00.657


Like I didn't, you know, I just watched it.00:45:00.657 --> 00:45:01.858


I was on video.00:45:01.947 --> 00:45:03.568


It was on a video cassette.00:45:05.188 --> 00:45:06.148


I remember parts of it.00:45:06.148 --> 00:45:08.608


I actually mixed up parts of it with, I think there was another movie.00:45:09.478 --> 00:45:14.967


That came out where they actually showed that McDonald's burgers don't decompose.00:45:14.967 --> 00:45:17.668


And I thought it was in this movie, but it wasn't.00:45:17.938 --> 00:45:26.458


But anyways, yeah, I think it definitely affected me more watching it again than it did the first time I was like, oh yeah, well, you know, don't eat fast food.00:45:26.458 --> 00:45:26.938


Of course.00:45:27.387 --> 00:45:28.847


And now this time it was just.00:45:29.818 --> 00:45:30.478


Wait a minute.00:45:30.657 --> 00:45:31.527


Let's rewind that.00:45:31.557 --> 00:45:33.148


What ha what are you doing?00:45:33.268 --> 00:45:34.288


Like it's I dunno.00:45:34.347 --> 00:45:35.427


It just affected me differently.00:45:35.788 --> 00:45:36.117


Yeah.00:45:36.628 --> 00:45:36.898


Yeah.00:45:36.927 --> 00:45:37.887


I mean, it is interesting.00:45:37.887 --> 00:45:40.588


I would love to put someone on a healthy 5,000 calories a day.00:45:40.737 --> 00:45:44.737


If you can create that much, that'd be a large volume of food, but00:45:44.737 --> 00:45:47.277


I don't think, no, I think, I don't think you could eat that much.00:45:47.307 --> 00:45:48.777


I know it'd be hard.00:45:49.378 --> 00:45:50.157


Oh my gosh.00:45:50.338 --> 00:45:53.068


But if you could, and then you just sat around on your couch, like he did.00:45:53.068 --> 00:45:54.097


What would happen?00:45:54.097 --> 00:45:56.467


I think you'd be sitting on the toilet.00:45:58.257 --> 00:45:58.887


Point well taken.00:45:58.887 --> 00:45:59.498


What are you eating?00:45:59.847 --> 00:46:00.438


Beans?00:46:00.557 --> 00:46:00.818


I mean, you're00:46:00.838 --> 00:46:06.597


eating a lot of beans or a lot of fat either way.00:46:07.677 --> 00:46:09.867


It wouldn't have to be a lot of fat because there's no other way to do it.00:46:10.197 --> 00:46:10.588


I know.00:46:12.117 --> 00:46:13.467


Oh my gosh.00:46:13.467 --> 00:46:14.157


All right.00:46:14.577 --> 00:46:15.237


Oh, you know what?00:46:15.237 --> 00:46:18.507


I actually just came up with a moment of Woo for this series.00:46:18.748 --> 00:46:19.108


All right.00:46:20.092 --> 00:46:23.432


I think the moment of what are these like Shockumentaries00:46:24.112 --> 00:46:24.713


oh,00:46:25.373 --> 00:46:34.583


You know, I mean, and I'm sure there are, there were parts in, you know,.The, in defense of food that may have been embellished or something, but it didn't have that feeling.00:46:34.583 --> 00:46:46.733


But I think for the moment of woo, I'm just going to talk about, you know, when you see a movie that evokes a visceral response, the way that the, the first and the third movies did question what you're seeing.00:46:46.972 --> 00:46:47.092


Right.00:46:47.907 --> 00:46:51.027


So I think that's gonna, that's kind of my moment of woo.00:46:51.628 --> 00:46:52.018


All right.00:46:52.527 --> 00:46:53.128


These movies.00:46:53.307 --> 00:46:54.838


Can we just have a BS meter?00:46:55.257 --> 00:46:56.007


A BS meter.00:46:56.068 --> 00:46:56.427


Yeah.00:46:57.007 --> 00:46:58.588


Like when does your BS meter peg?00:46:59.038 --> 00:46:59.878


Is it halfway?00:47:00.027 --> 00:47:03.807


Yeah, I can feel the BS meter going, you know, get the little needle.00:47:04.318 --> 00:47:07.228


That's not something that's that's in all of us.00:47:07.228 --> 00:47:10.378


And so, cause like I said, the first time I watched this, I was like, oh yeah.00:47:10.527 --> 00:47:11.547


Okay, sure.00:47:12.538 --> 00:47:13.077


And now.00:47:14.128 --> 00:47:18.958


A decade plus later I'm like question I question.00:47:19.197 --> 00:47:19.527


Right.00:47:19.527 --> 00:47:20.487


Right, right, right, right.00:47:21.027 --> 00:47:21.208


Yeah.00:47:21.208 --> 00:47:28.677


I think we were primed up in 2004 for this, as it was to take it, you know, hook line and sinker would just bleed the whole thing.00:47:29.068 --> 00:47:29.217


Right.00:47:29.217 --> 00:47:33.568


And I think now we know a lot more than we did then both us and the collective us.00:47:33.867 --> 00:47:34.498


Exactly.00:47:35.188 --> 00:47:35.608


Okay.00:47:35.878 --> 00:47:39.248


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And I'm Dr.00:47:40.027 --> 00:47:40.608


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